Beautiful colors!! where in Canton? Can someone talk about marcionism? In the DVD, the priest mentioned but did not really explained. I think at one point he said that Jesus did not changed anything from the OT, I always thought that Jesus changed many things. What do you think?
I wasn't at the last class but, that never stopped me from giving an opinion...
Marcion (heresy around 144 AD) affirmed Jesus Christ as the savior sent by God and Paul as his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and Yahweh. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament. This belief was in some ways similar to Gnostic Christian theology, but in other ways quite different and unique.
You know, the old attitude that the God of the OT is mean and the God of the New Test is love.
It's my understanding that Jesus didn't change anything, he fulfilled everything.
Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Yes, I know about Matthew 5:17. But what comes to my mind is " eye for eye, tooth for tooth" Lev 24:20, and then Jesus said "when someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other one to him as well" Mt 5:39. That is a change to me. In the OT we have " if you do this or that... you will be put to death", but now we don't support capital punishment, not even for the worst criminal. I see those as changes... In the OT we find laws about everything, how to dress, eat, behave, sexuality, everything... many things that now, in our society, not only many are doing them backwards, but want to make them that way normal. Maybe God is really like in the OT, wrathful, vengeful sometimes, but we just portray Him as all love, and forgiving to make our life easier, to calm our conscience and to continue in making the same mistakes over and over. I do think God is Love, but I also think that He might be more strict than we like to think.
I think that's the point. eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. The punishment for sin is death and that was fulfilled in Jesus. The punishment has been paid, by the blood of Christ. That's why we can say, Jesus fulfilled it all.
We can take up the difference between commandments and ceremonial laws in class.
Are you saying that you understand the Catholic Church teaches that the State does not have the right to capitol punishment?
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Beautiful colors!! where in Canton?
Can someone talk about marcionism? In the DVD, the priest mentioned but did not really explained.
I think at one point he said that Jesus did not changed anything from the OT, I always thought that Jesus changed many things. What do you think?
I wasn't at the last class but, that never stopped me from giving an opinion...
Marcion (heresy around 144 AD) affirmed Jesus Christ as the savior sent by God and Paul as his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and Yahweh. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament. This belief was in some ways similar to Gnostic Christian theology, but in other ways quite different and unique.
You know, the old attitude that the God of the OT is mean and the God of the New Test is love.
It's my understanding that Jesus didn't change anything, he fulfilled everything.
Matthew 5:17
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
What do you think?
(Not really Canton, but don't tell anyone)
Yes, I know about Matthew 5:17. But what comes to my mind is " eye for eye, tooth for tooth" Lev 24:20, and then Jesus said "when someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other one to him as well" Mt 5:39. That is a change to me. In the OT we have " if you do this or that... you will be put to death", but now we don't support capital punishment, not even for the worst criminal. I see those as changes...
In the OT we find laws about everything, how to dress, eat, behave, sexuality, everything... many things that now, in our society, not only many are doing them backwards, but want to make them that way normal.
Maybe God is really like in the OT, wrathful, vengeful sometimes, but we just portray Him as all love, and forgiving to make our life easier, to calm our conscience and to continue in making the same mistakes over and over.
I do think God is Love, but I also think that He might be more strict than we like to think.
I think that's the point. eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. The punishment for sin is death and that was fulfilled in Jesus. The punishment has been paid, by the blood of Christ. That's why we can say, Jesus fulfilled it all.
We can take up the difference between commandments and ceremonial laws in class.
Are you saying that you understand the Catholic Church teaches that the State does not have the right to capitol punishment?
I think nobody has the right to capital punishment. One of the commandments is "Do not kill".
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